wer haette meisterpartien mit marshall angriff als eroeffnung?????'

Schau doch mal in den gaengigen Datenbanken (chessbase...) bzw. auf www.chesslive.de (das ist die onlineversion von Chessbase Database).

leider geht das be mir nicht weil ich einen sch@@@@@ computer habe

also??koennte mir jemand paar partien hier einfuegen???? bitte!!!

Zuerst die Stammpartie:

[Event "New York Manhattan CC"]
[Site "New York"]
[Date "1918.10.23"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Capablanca,Jose Raul"]
[Black "Marshall,Frank James"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 Nf6 12.Re1 Bd6 13.h3 Ng4 14.Qf3 Qh4 15.d4 Nxf2 16.Re2 Bg4 17.hxg4 Bh2+ 18.Kf1 Bg3 19.Rxf2 Qh1+ 20.Ke2 Bxf2 21.Bd2 Bh4 22.Qh3 Rae8+ 23.Kd3 Qf1+ 24.Kc2 Bf2 25.Qf3 Qg1 26.Bd5 c5 27.dxc5 Bxc5 28.b4 Bd6 29.a4 a5 30.axb5 axb4 31.Ra6 bxc3 32.Nxc3 Bb4
33.b6 Bxc3 34.Bxc3 h6 35.b7 Re3 36.Bxf7+ 1-0

Nun einige Partien mit der heutigen Hauptvariante:

[Event "URS-ch30"]
[Site "Yerevan"]
[Date "1962.11.22"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Tal,Mihail"]
[Black "Krogius,Nikolai V"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8 17.Nd2 Re6 18.Bxd5 cxd5 19.a4 b4 20.Qf1 Qh5 21.c4 dxc4 22.Qxc4 g5 23.d5 Rh6 24.h4 Rc8 25.Qd3 gxh4 26.Bxh6 hxg3 27.fxg3 Qxh6 28.Rac1 Rxc1 29.Rxc1 Bb8 30.Qd4 Bd7 31.Rc2 Qh5 32.Ne4 Be5
33.Qd2 Bxa4 34.d6 Qg6 35.Rc4 Bf6 36.Nxf6+ Qxf6 37.d7 1-0

[Event "URS-ch30"]
[Site "Yerevan"]
[Date "1962.11.22"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Tal,Mihail"]
[Black "Krogius,Nikolai V"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8
17.Nd2 Re6 18.Bxd5 cxd5 19.a4 b4 20.Qf1 Qh5 21.c4 dxc4 22.Qxc4 g5 23.d5 Rh6 24.h4 Rc8
25.Qd3 gxh4 26.Bxh6 hxg3 27.fxg3 Qxh6 28.Rac1 Rxc1 29.Rxc1 Bb8 30.Qd4 Bd7 31.Rc2 Qh5 32.Ne4 Be5
33.Qd2 Bxa4 34.d6 Qg6 35.Rc4 Bf6 36.Nxf6+ Qxf6 37.d7 1-0

[Event "URS-ch31"]
[Site "Leningrad"]
[Date "1963.11.??"]
[Round "14"]
[White "Suetin,Alexey S"]
[Black "Geller,Efim P"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8 17.Nd2 Re6 18.Qf1 Qh5 19.a4 bxa4 20.Rxa4 f5 21.c4 f4 22.cxd5 Rxe3 23.fxe3 fxg3 24.dxc6+ Kh8 25.hxg3 Rxf1+ 26.Rxf1 Qg5 27.Rf4 Bxf4 28.exf4 Qe7 29.Nf1 Qe2 30.Rb4 g6 31.c7 Kg7 32.Bc4 Qf3 33.Rb3 Qc6 34.Rc3 Bh3 35.Kf2 Qxc7 36.Bxa6 Qb6 37.Be2 Qxd4+ 38.Ne3 h5 39.Rb3 Bf5 40.Ke1 Be4 41.Rc3 Qb6 42.Nc4 Qg1+ 43.Kd2 Qf2 44.Re3 Bf5 45.Ne5 h4 46.gxh4 Qxf4 47.Bd3 Qb4+ 48.Ke2 Qxb2+ 49.Kf3 Qh2 50.Bxf5 gxf5 51.Nd3 Qxh4 52.Kg2 Kf6 53.Nf2 Qg5+ 54.Rg3 Qd2 55.Rd3 Qc2 56.Rf3 Qc6
57.Kg3 Qb6 58.Kg2 Qb7 59.Kg3 Qg7+ 60.Kh2 Ke5 61.Kh1 Qg5 62.Kh2 Qg8 63.Kh1 Qa8 64.Kg2 f4 65.Nh3 Kf5 66.Nf2 Qd5 67.Nd3 Qg8+ 68.Kf2 Qa2+ 69.Kf1 Ke4 70.Ne1 Qa6+ 71.Kf2 Qh6 72.Rb3 Qd6 73.Rd3 Qb6+ 74.Kf1 Qb5 75.Kf2 Qb2+ 76.Kf1 Kf5 77.Rf3 Qc1 78.Kf2 Kg4 79.Rd3 Qc4 80.Rf3 Qe6
81.Rd3 Qe4 82.Kf1 Qh7 83.Kg2 Qe4+ 84.Kf1 Qe7 85.Nf3 Qc5 86.Ne1 Qe5 1/2


[Event "URS-ch30"]
[Site "Yerevan"]
[Date "1962.11.22"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Tal,Mihail"]
[Black "Krogius,Nikolai V"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8
17.Nd2 Re6 18.Bxd5 cxd5 19.a4 b4 20.Qf1 Qh5 21.c4 dxc4 22.Qxc4 g5 23.d5 Rh6 24.h4 Rc8
25.Qd3 gxh4 26.Bxh6 hxg3 27.fxg3 Qxh6 28.Rac1 Rxc1 29.Rxc1 Bb8 30.Qd4 Bd7 31.Rc2 Qh5 32.Ne4 Be5
33.Qd2 Bxa4 34.d6 Qg6 35.Rc4 Bf6 36.Nxf6+ Qxf6 37.d7 1-0

[Event "URS-ch31"]
[Site "Leningrad"]
[Date "1963.11.??"]
[Round "14"]
[White "Suetin,Alexey S"]
[Black "Geller,Efim P"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8
17.Nd2 Re6 18.Qf1 Qh5 19.a4 bxa4 20.Rxa4 f5 21.c4 f4 22.cxd5 Rxe3 23.fxe3 fxg3 24.dxc6+ Kh8
25.hxg3 Rxf1+ 26.Rxf1 Qg5 27.Rf4 Bxf4 28.exf4 Qe7 29.Nf1 Qe2 30.Rb4 g6 31.c7 Kg7 32.Bc4 Qf3
33.Rb3 Qc6 34.Rc3 Bh3 35.Kf2 Qxc7 36.Bxa6 Qb6 37.Be2 Qxd4+ 38.Ne3 h5 39.Rb3 Bf5 40.Ke1 Be4
41.Rc3 Qb6 42.Nc4 Qg1+ 43.Kd2 Qf2 44.Re3 Bf5 45.Ne5 h4 46.gxh4 Qxf4 47.Bd3 Qb4+ 48.Ke2 Qxb2+
49.Kf3 Qh2 50.Bxf5 gxf5 51.Nd3 Qxh4 52.Kg2 Kf6 53.Nf2 Qg5+ 54.Rg3 Qd2 55.Rd3 Qc2 56.Rf3 Qc6
57.Kg3 Qb6 58.Kg2 Qb7 59.Kg3 Qg7+ 60.Kh2 Ke5 61.Kh1 Qg5 62.Kh2 Qg8 63.Kh1 Qa8 64.Kg2 f4
65.Nh3 Kf5 66.Nf2 Qd5 67.Nd3 Qg8+ 68.Kf2 Qa2+ 69.Kf1 Ke4 70.Ne1 Qa6+ 71.Kf2 Qh6 72.Rb3 Qd6
73.Rd3 Qb6+ 74.Kf1 Qb5 75.Kf2 Qb2+ 76.Kf1 Kf5 77.Rf3 Qc1 78.Kf2 Kg4 79.Rd3 Qc4 80.Rf3 Qe6
81.Rd3 Qe4 82.Kf1 Qh7 83.Kg2 Qe4+ 84.Kf1 Qe7 85.Nf3 Qc5 86.Ne1 Qe5 1/2

[Event "EU-ch M corr"]
[Site "ICCF corr"]
[Date "1966.??.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Grzeskowiak,Felix"]
[Black "Strada,M"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8
17.Nd2 Re6 18.Bxd5 cxd5 19.a4 bxa4 20.Qf1 Qh5 21.f4 Rfe8 22.Bf2 Re2 23.c4 f5 24.Qg2 Bb4
25.h3 Bxh3 26.Qxd5+ Qf7 27.Rxe2 Rxe2 28.Qxf7+ Kxf7 29.Nf3 Ke7 30.Rxa4 a5 31.Ne5 Rxb2 32.Ra1 Rc2
33.Rb1 Bc3 34.Rb7+ Kf8 35.d5 Bxe5 36.fxe5 Rxc4 37.Rb8+ Ke7 38.d6+ 1-0

[Event "URS-ch FL43"]
[Site "Kischniev"]
[Date "1975.10.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Tseshkovsky,Vitaly"]
[Black "Kuzmin,Gennadi P"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Re8 16.Bxd5 cxd5 17.Qf3 Ra7 18.Qg2 Qh5 19.Nd2 Rae7 20.a4 b4 21.c4 dxc4 22.Nxc4 Bb7 23.Qxb7 Rxb7 24.Nxd6 Reb8 25.Nxb7 Rxb7 26.d5 Rd7 27.Rad1 Rxd5 28.Rxd5 Qxd5 29.Bd2 h5 30.Bxb4 h4 31.gxh4 Qd4 32.Bc3 Qxa4
33.h3 Qxh4 34.Re3 f6 35.Kg2 Kf7 36.Rg3 Qe4+ 37.Kg1 g5 38.Rg4 Qf3 39.Rg3 Qd1+ 40.Kg2 Qd5+ 41.Kg1 Kg6 42.h4 Qd1+ 43.Kg2 g4 44.h5+ Kg5 45.h6 Qd7 46.Kg1 f5 47.Bg7 f4 48.Rc3 Qd1+ 49.Kg2 f3+ 50.Kh2 Qf1 0-1

[Event "URS-ch30"]
[Site "Yerevan"]
[Date "1962.11.22"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Tal,Mihail"]
[Black "Krogius,Nikolai V"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8
17.Nd2 Re6 18.Bxd5 cxd5 19.a4 b4 20.Qf1 Qh5 21.c4 dxc4 22.Qxc4 g5 23.d5 Rh6 24.h4 Rc8
25.Qd3 gxh4 26.Bxh6 hxg3 27.fxg3 Qxh6 28.Rac1 Rxc1 29.Rxc1 Bb8 30.Qd4 Bd7 31.Rc2 Qh5 32.Ne4 Be5
33.Qd2 Bxa4 34.d6 Qg6 35.Rc4 Bf6 36.Nxf6+ Qxf6 37.d7 1-0

[Event "URS-ch31"]
[Site "Leningrad"]
[Date "1963.11.??"]
[Round "14"]
[White "Suetin,Alexey S"]
[Black "Geller,Efim P"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8
17.Nd2 Re6 18.Qf1 Qh5 19.a4 bxa4 20.Rxa4 f5 21.c4 f4 22.cxd5 Rxe3 23.fxe3 fxg3 24.dxc6+ Kh8
25.hxg3 Rxf1+ 26.Rxf1 Qg5 27.Rf4 Bxf4 28.exf4 Qe7 29.Nf1 Qe2 30.Rb4 g6 31.c7 Kg7 32.Bc4 Qf3
33.Rb3 Qc6 34.Rc3 Bh3 35.Kf2 Qxc7 36.Bxa6 Qb6 37.Be2 Qxd4+ 38.Ne3 h5 39.Rb3 Bf5 40.Ke1 Be4
41.Rc3 Qb6 42.Nc4 Qg1+ 43.Kd2 Qf2 44.Re3 Bf5 45.Ne5 h4 46.gxh4 Qxf4 47.Bd3 Qb4+ 48.Ke2 Qxb2+
49.Kf3 Qh2 50.Bxf5 gxf5 51.Nd3 Qxh4 52.Kg2 Kf6 53.Nf2 Qg5+ 54.Rg3 Qd2 55.Rd3 Qc2 56.Rf3 Qc6
57.Kg3 Qb6 58.Kg2 Qb7 59.Kg3 Qg7+ 60.Kh2 Ke5 61.Kh1 Qg5 62.Kh2 Qg8 63.Kh1 Qa8 64.Kg2 f4
65.Nh3 Kf5 66.Nf2 Qd5 67.Nd3 Qg8+ 68.Kf2 Qa2+ 69.Kf1 Ke4 70.Ne1 Qa6+ 71.Kf2 Qh6 72.Rb3 Qd6
73.Rd3 Qb6+ 74.Kf1 Qb5 75.Kf2 Qb2+ 76.Kf1 Kf5 77.Rf3 Qc1 78.Kf2 Kg4 79.Rd3 Qc4 80.Rf3 Qe6
81.Rd3 Qe4 82.Kf1 Qh7 83.Kg2 Qe4+ 84.Kf1 Qe7 85.Nf3 Qc5 86.Ne1 Qe5 1/2

[Event "EU-ch M corr"]
[Site "ICCF corr"]
[Date "1966.??.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Grzeskowiak,Felix"]
[Black "Strada,M"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8
17.Nd2 Re6 18.Bxd5 cxd5 19.a4 bxa4 20.Qf1 Qh5 21.f4 Rfe8 22.Bf2 Re2 23.c4 f5 24.Qg2 Bb4
25.h3 Bxh3 26.Qxd5+ Qf7 27.Rxe2 Rxe2 28.Qxf7+ Kxf7 29.Nf3 Ke7 30.Rxa4 a5 31.Ne5 Rxb2 32.Ra1 Rc2
33.Rb1 Bc3 34.Rb7+ Kf8 35.d5 Bxe5 36.fxe5 Rxc4 37.Rb8+ Ke7 38.d6+ 1-0

[Event "URS-ch FL43"]
[Site "Kischniev"]
[Date "1975.10.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Tseshkovsky,Vitaly"]
[Black "Kuzmin,Gennadi P"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Re8 16.Bxd5 cxd5
17.Qf3 Ra7 18.Qg2 Qh5 19.Nd2 Rae7 20.a4 b4 21.c4 dxc4 22.Nxc4 Bb7 23.Qxb7 Rxb7 24.Nxd6 Reb8
25.Nxb7 Rxb7 26.d5 Rd7 27.Rad1 Rxd5 28.Rxd5 Qxd5 29.Bd2 h5 30.Bxb4 h4 31.gxh4 Qd4 32.Bc3 Qxa4
33.h3 Qxh4 34.Re3 f6 35.Kg2 Kf7 36.Rg3 Qe4+ 37.Kg1 g5 38.Rg4 Qf3 39.Rg3 Qd1+ 40.Kg2 Qd5+
41.Kg1 Kg6 42.h4 Qd1+ 43.Kg2 g4 44.h5+ Kg5 45.h6 Qd7 46.Kg1 f5 47.Bg7 f4 48.Rc3 Qd1+
49.Kg2 f3+ 50.Kh2 Qf1 0-1

[Event "Arnold Cup"]
[Site "Gausdal"]
[Date "1987.04.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Ernst,Thomas"]
[Black "Hebden,Mark"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "C89"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5
9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Re4 g5 16.Qf1 Qh5 17.Qe2 Qg6 18.Re8 Bf5 19.Rxa8 Rxa8 20.Nd2 Bd3 21.Qe1 Nf4 22.gxf4 gxf4+ 23.Kh1 Kh8 24.Qg1 Qf6 25.f3 Re8 26.a4 Qh4 27.Ne4 Rg8 28.Nf2 Rxg1+ 29.Kxg1 Qg5+ 30.Kh1 Bf1 31.Ng4 h5 32.Bd2 Be2
33.Ne5 Bxe5 34.Bd1 Bf1 0-1

So, das müsste erstmal reichen um einen Eindruck zu bekommen...

Cresspahl

Kann man das als Amateur überhaupt spielen. Das sind ja wirklich Varianten die teilweise 23-30 Zug analysiert sind.

Ja, GeDa, das ist ein wichtiger Punkt. Einige Große (GM Gustafsson z.B.) meinen eher nicht - zuviel Theorie und viel zu schwer - Schwarz muss sher genau spielen in den kritischen Varianten um die Kompensation bewahren zu können.

Cresspahl

danke vielen dank!haettet ihr noch ein paar andere??? weil ich spiele das....am besten nach dem zug von schwarz d5 exd e4!
das waere sehr nett danke

also????
haettet ihr welche???????????????????????????????